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Our Lady Sends Euthanasia Speaker Running From Cork University Hospital.

April 11, 2009 · 22 Comments

Thanks to Thought And Action blog for the following story:

“As many are now aware the lecture did not take place and this vile proponent of both voluntary and involuntary euthanasia, Professor Len Doyal saw first hand in Cork that he and others like Dr Deirdre Madden will not foist their euthanasia and eugenics agenda in Ireland. Through the Grace of God and by the Grace of God, Doyal was sent packing with his tail between his legs. His lecture was cancelled.

Some might argue let us debate the “issue”. Euthanasia like abortion is not a matter for debate and the Irish people will not tolerate this. Many thanks to the various groups like Youth Defence and Mother & Child Campaign, who came along and organised the protest. Thanks also to those groups and individuals inside who were able to confront him at the podium and get him out. In other countries people would of tolerated this type of speaker and have let the Masons grip their country. The Irish people are a great people.. This was one of the best things that happened in Ireland in a long time.

Many of the Irish newspapers carried the news item. See below.
Congratulations to all involved in Thursdays actions.”

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0409/euthanasia.html
Euthanasia lecture cancelled

A controversial public lecture on euthanasia has been cancelled minutes after it began when a group of over 20 protestors disrupted it.

The guest speaker Prof Len Doyal, an open proponent of both voluntary and non-voluntary euthanasia, had to be escorted from the lecture theatre at Cork University Hospital by security staff.

The lecture entitled ‘Why Euthanaia should be legalised’, formed part of the annual spring series organized by CUH’s Ethics Forum and started at 5pm.

As the 350 attendees were being welcomed, a group of over 20 people stood up and began shouting.

Witnesses say some began saying the rosary and one man accused Prof Doyal of being a murderer.

A decision was taken soon afterwards to cancel the lecture on public safety grounds but it took some time to get the message through to the audience because of the continuing strong vocal opposition by protestors.

Afterwards a spokeswoman for the HSE expressed disappointment that the annual lecture series which is held to stimulate debate was forced to be cancelled.

She stressed that the lecture series is not funded by the HSE but privately by the hospital’s Ethics Forum and that neither the HSE or CUH or the Ethics Forum are in favour of euthanasia.

Earlier, a group of about 20 people protested peacefully at the entrance to the hospital.

The lecture has been a source of controversy for a number of weeks.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/irelan…4244363098.html

A SPEECH by a proponent of euthanasia was called off at Cork University Hospital (CUH) yesterday after protesters voiced their opposition.

Prof Len Doyal, a supporter of euthanasia and emeritus professor of medical ethics at the London School of Medicine and Dentistry and St Bartholomew’s Hospital, was due to address an audience at CUH as part of a lecture series organised by the hospital’s ethics committee.

More than 100 protesters lined the entrance to the hospital and the auditorium as part of a peaceful demonstration against the content of the lecture.

Ethics committee chairman Prof Eamonn Quigley introduced Prof Doyal, but was interrupted by a protester who approached the podium and demanded the lecture be halted, branding the content “murderous”. The lecture was promptly cancelled and Prof Doyal was escorted from the auditorium by hospital security personnel.

Speaking to The Irish Times , last night, Prof Doyal described the experience as “disturbing and distressing”.

He said: “There was no intent on my part to give a lecture and leave, the whole point was that it should be a debate . . . with people free to disagree with me as part of a discussion . . .What is most disturbing is what this means for free speech, which is also upheld in your constitution.”

Health Service Executive (HSE) spokeswoman Christine Eckersley said the lecture was cancelled in the interests of public safety. However, protesters denied there was any threat to public safety.

“The HSE will make us out to be religious zealots but we are not. We are all individual protesters here,” said anti-euthanasia protester Margaret Hurley, from Bishopstown in Cork.

Outside the hospital entrance, protester Moira O’Regan, from Cork, said she was present as a voice for elderly people: “This lecture has nothing to do with providing care for people.”

A spokeswoman for the HSE said: “The hospital fully appreciates that this is a very sensitive topic for many groups and individuals and is aware of the potential for misunderstanding which the title of the lecture may convey, but would again categorically state that CUH does not support euthanasia.”

Rosary-chanting protesters force euthanasia talk to be abandoned
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/ro…ed-1705229.html
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A CONTROVERSIAL euthanasia lecture was abandoned amid chaotic scenes last night while a senior British medical ethics expert had a private security escort for his own protection.

Prof Len Doyal was visibly shaken after his lecture on euthanasia couldn’t even commence after he was heckled and jeered by more than 20 angry pro-life protesters who had taken up position in the Cork University Hospital (CUH) lecture theatre.

Protesters, some from the right-wing Youth Defence group, shouted that euthanasia was State-sponsored murder — and dozens began loudly chanting the Rosary.

At one point, a protester shouted abuse directly into Prof Doyal’s face. All efforts to introduce Prof Doyal for his lecture were drowned out by shouts and jeers.

Gardai were called to the scene but, a despite a heavy presence of officers, they did not intervene. Emptying the lecture theatre was ultimately left to hospital security guards.

The lecture was eventually cancelled — with Prof Doyal escorted out by hospital security personnel for his own safety.

As he left, the respected British medical expert challenged the protesters over the right to free speech — with dozens of people who attended the theatre also complaining about their activities.

One eye-witness described the scene as “absolutely unbelievable” and “very highly charged”.

The lecture sparked national controversy when the Bishop of Cork & Ross, Dr John Buckley, slated euthanasia or the voluntary ending of life as wrong, saying: “The Lord alone is the giver of life and He alone has the right to decide when that life should end.”

Ireland South MEP Kathy Sinnott (Independent) expressed outrage that the Health Service Executive (HSE) should have facilitated the CUH lecture.

Demonstrations outside CUH were mounted last night by Youth Defence and the Mother & Child Campaign. The controversy over the CUH lecture even reached the Seanad, with Senator David Norris accusing Senator Jim Walsh of “scaremongering”.

Senator Walsh had said the CUH debate was both scandalous and deplorable.

“I am sure it (the euthanasia debate) will scare every patient in nursing homes throughout the country. It is scandalous and deplorable,” he warned.

Sen Norris said such comments were “a disgrace” and “a shame on the senator.”

Yesterday, such was the volume of queries over the lecture that the HSE had a recorded message on its telephone system — stressing that neither the speaker nor the theme reflected the views or policies of the HSE, the hospital or its ethics forum.

CUH Ethics Forum Chairman, Dr Fergus Walsh, said: “We only wish to promote an active discussion about this controversial subject.”

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/idsnauauey/
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ORGANISERS of a controversial HSE euthanasia lecture were forced to leave surrounded by security just seconds into the high-profile debate, after a barrage of verbal threats from protesters accusing them of taking “30 pieces of silver” to endorse “murder”.

The ‘Why euthanasia should be legalised’ public lecture by Prof Len Doyal, an international advocate of the issue and emeritus professor of medical ethics at the London School of Medicine and Dentistry, was due to begin at 5pm yesterday in the main auditorium of Cork University Hospital (CUH).

But just 20 seconds into the opening address by the hospital’s ethics forum chair Prof Eamon Quigley, the lecture — which was not based on any future policy changes — descended into a farce.

To calls of “murder is murder”, “this is how Hitler started”, Hail Mary prayers, and calls that “only God has the right to take a life”, up to 50 protesters repeatedly verbally threatened Prof Quigley and other organisers, forcing the chair of the lecture to call for security seconds into his address.

Three security staff subsequently entered the room in an attempt to quell the abuse. Despite their presence the insults continued for more than 20 minutes, at one stage leading to a personal verbal attack on stem cell advocate Prof Deirdre Madden who was forced to leave her seat in the crowd.

Moments before gardaí arrived, one protester took over the podium to accuse CUH of selling out the “sick and old” people of Ireland.

“I have 30 pieces of silver to give to the ethics committee on behalf of these people. That’s very significant because Judas took 30 pieces of silver. They are selling out the sick and the old, and what I would say is that this ethics committee has no ethics at all. Who would hold a meeting on Holy Thursday in Catholic Ireland to murder people?” he said.

‘Excuse me… You’re talking about the killing of patients. Get out’
http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/ididsnidsn/
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YOU walk into a room and search for somewhere to sit. It’s crowded but luckily a single chair is still free, next to what appears to be a respectable grandmother.

She seems to fit perfectly into a Werther’s Original sweets advert family and smiles as you sit down, before slowly reaching to move her dainty handbag out of the way.

And then it begins.

“MURDERER”, she yells at the startled speaker.

“This is how Hitler started, what gives you the right? MURDERER.”

The speaker’s gone white with fear; you’ve gone red with embarrassment and prepare to make your escape to somewhere — anywhere — else in the room.

But its too late, the insults have spread like wildfire.

Grannies who outside shared a nice cup of tea are bashing bibles to the tune of Hail Mary hymns.

Grandads are approaching the podium armed with their version of the Constitution and waving 30 pieces of silver at people they insist have sold out patients by endorsing the killing of the old and the ill.

And young people in their 20s and 30s are shooting down free speech with the accuracy of a sniper. It all seems so unusual on the grounds of a hospital until you’re told the subject matter at the heart of the verbal bloodbath: euthanasia.

Yesterday at Cork University Hospital a controversial discussion on the issue, organised by the HSE as part of the facility’s seventh annual ethics forum spring lecture, descended into an equally controversial shouting match, with dozens of protesters preventing the debate from taking place.

The HSE notices said the lecture would be “interactive”, did not mean a change in policy, and had the sole purpose of creating lively debate on the subject. On those grounds the 20 second discussion was an unqualified success.

Seconds into the opening address by ethics forum chair Prof Eamon Quigley — who was preparing to introduce guest lecture Prof Len Doyal, a supporter of euthanasia and emeritus professor of medical ethics at the London School of Medicine and Dentistry — he was stopped in his tracks. “Excuse me,” a protester interrupted while leaving his seat to confront his adversary at the podium.

“Leave. You know nothing about my constitution. Murder is murder. Murder is murder. You’re talking about the killing of patients. Get out,” he roared.

As security arrived on the scene to the backing song of hymns from protesters, the concerning scenes grew worse, with organisers of the debate and Prof Doyal leaving surrounded by security staff in order to protect their safety.

Perhaps surprised at their sudden success the protesters, grew more confident and turned their attention to other members of the medical elite who had also attended the now-cancelled lecture.

One protester, a middle-aged man, took over the microphone and, clutching 30 pieces of silver, asked any member of CUH to come up and collect their bribe. “Judas took 30 pieces of silver. They are selling out the sick and the old, and what I would say is that this ethics committee has no ethics at all. Who would hold a meeting on Holy Thursday in Catholic Ireland to murder people,” he said.

Those protesting have since been at pains to stress that their actions were “peaceful”.

They were in the sense that nobody was physically assaulted. But ask Prof Deirdre Madden, stem cell advocate and member of the Medical Council of Ireland, and she may disagree, being left with no option but to leave after being subjected to calls of “Madden has no right to take away a life” by people she felt may have had no right to threaten a woman’s safety.

The euthanasia debate had caused controversy ever since it became public knowledge earlier this year, with those opposed to it insisting publicising information about the topic had nobody’s interest at heart.

Ironically, after yesterday’s farce, a discussion on euthanasia in Ireland may be the only issue to have died.

The HSE said the discussion has been cancelled with no rescheduled date in place.

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22 responses so far ↓

  • Social Dullard // April 11, 2009 at 7:43 pm | Reply

    I am truly shocked by finding this blog just through searching the web. Why do you think canceling open debate is a good thing? Euthanasia is a very touchy subject but it also deserve’s to be debated as does other topics such as abortion and creationism.

  • Credo // April 12, 2009 at 1:09 am | Reply

    “Why Euthanasia Should Be Legalised” was the title of the lecture that was to take place. There was never a debate taking place. Firstly, euthanasia like abortion is not a matter for debate.Both are morally wrong.No exceptions. That includes the morning after pill in regard to abortion.
    Secondly, there was no speaker to oppose Professor Doyal.

    The title of the lecture is a statement. His lecture was cancelled because nobody was interested in it. Of the 150 or so there over 3/4 of the people were opposed to euthanasia. Only a handful of medical elite were in favour and they scattered when the heat was turned up.

    Are you not more shocked that Irish tax payers money was used to host a lecture in a hospital to discuss the killing of their patients on Holy/Maundy Thursday night?

    Does it not disturb you that an ethics forum would host this type of event and offer tea/coffee and wine afterwards? (only to invited guests of course)

    Professor Doyal is a proponent of both voluntary and involuntary euthanasia.

    Thank God and Our Lady for those who acted in Cork last Thursday night.
    Do pray for Professor Doyal that he repents of his ways which are very evil.

    He doesn’t care of the sick and the old. I do and the majority of people young and old, rich and poor in Ireland do.
    Ireland will not tolerate the killing of its young and old. God exists and he alone gives and takes life away.

  • admin // April 12, 2009 at 3:24 pm | Reply

    Social Dullard,

    You can’t debate sin.

    Liberals have got away with this pretence of “debate” for too long.

    On your philosophy I suppose there is nothing you wouldn’t debate, no matter how “touchy”,

    How about
    ” Why paedaphlia should be legalised”
    or
    “Why Stalin may have had a point”

    as a starter?

    But then you think that child destruction in utero is debatable so where does it really end?

  • Denis // April 19, 2009 at 11:41 pm | Reply

    “For Evil to thrive all that is needed is for good men to do nouthing.”
    Thank God This lecture on killing the old and infirm was cancelled because a few good men did act to defend those who could not defend themselves.
    It is hard to understand how in the first place the so called lecture was being held in a room immediately inside the main entrance to the hospital where sick patients were wandering around in dressing gowns and some in wheelchairs.
    Those who say that the lecture should have been left go ahead are very wrong because by entering into a discussion with this man you legitimised his cause and gave him an importance he did not deserve. A civilized society can not and should not ever debate the killing of innocent people whose only “Crime” is that they are sick.

    Thank God for a few good men.

  • BMJ Group blogs: Journal of Medical Ethics blog » Blog Archive » Irish Euthanasia Lecture Cancelled // April 20, 2009 at 2:40 pm | Reply

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  • Anonymous // April 20, 2009 at 3:32 pm | Reply

    Denis – you don’t seem to understand that Doyal is supporting only voluntary euthanasia – it only applies to people who want to die. You may argue that suicide is a sin too, but to call it murder or killing is just dishonest.

  • admin // April 20, 2009 at 4:37 pm | Reply

    Anonymous,

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/44651.php

    Legalise Non-voluntary Euthanasia, Says Professor Of Medical Ethics

    Writing in The Royal Society of Medicine’s Clinical Ethics journal, Professor Doyal said, “Doctor assisted deaths are taking place on a regular and recurring basis in the UK. They should be better regulated.”

    ……….Professor Doyal asked, “If doctors can already choose not to keep uncomprehending patients alive because they believe that life is of no further benefit to them, why should their death be needlessly prolonged?”

    “It is ironic that much of the debate about euthanasia has been so focussed on competent patients. Withdrawing feeding tubes, ventilators or antibiotics from incompetent patients may result in a slow, painful and incomprehensible death that could be avoided through the legalisation of non-voluntary active euthanasia.”

    Notwithstanding that you are WRONG and Doyal does repeatedly and openly advocate involuntary euthanasia, even when peolple want to die it is still murder to kill them. This is the case in the UK as well as Ireland both in the criminl law and morally.

  • British Medical Journal Blogger, Iain Brassington, Finds Irish Catholics Amusing. « Hidden Ireland // April 20, 2009 at 8:13 pm | Reply

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  • Iain Brassington // April 21, 2009 at 8:21 am | Reply

    I’d love to think that I’m part of the establishment – but, sadly, I don’t think I am by quite a long shot.

    Please note, too, that there’s nothing in the blog about finding Catholics, Irish or otherwise, amusing. There’s something about the BEHAVIOUR of certain Irish Catholics that I find, um, questionable, but that’s quite a different matter. (Unless, of course, you think that “Father Ted” is anti-Irish or anti-Catholic… which, plainly, it isn’t.)

    It’s built into academic debate that one examines an idea and follows a line of thought where it leads you. If you are persuaded to change your mind, then you do so. None of this warrants being interrupted or shouted at – that’s just rude. It’s also dogmatic, and it doesn’t help either side make its point.

    Cheers

  • Iain Brassington // April 21, 2009 at 8:23 am | Reply

    I’d love to think that I’m part of the establishment – but, sadly, I don’t think I am by quite a long shot.

    Please note, too, that there’s nothing in the blog about finding Catholics, Irish or otherwise, amusing. There’s something about the BEHAVIOUR of certain Irish Catholics that I find, um, questionable, but that’s quite a different matter. (Unless, of course, you think that “Father Ted” is anti-Irish or anti-Catholic… which, plainly, it isn’t.)

    It’s built into academic debate that one examines an idea and follows a line of thought where it leads you. If you are persuaded to change your mind, then you do so. None of this warrants being interrupted or shouted at – that’s just rude. It’s also dogmatic, and it doesn’t help either side make its point.

    Cheers

    (PS – apologies if this has been multiply submitted. Either the website or my computer seems not to be behaving…)

  • Margaret // April 26, 2009 at 12:09 pm | Reply

    Having just listened to Prof Doyal speaking on Newstalk this morning, I write to express my outrage at the ignorance of the protestors and their shameful treatment of this man in Cork a couple of weeks ago.

    Why are you so-called pro-lifers so scared of debate? The Stalinist tactics come not from the likes of Prof Doyal but from people who suppress freedom of speech.

    Do you not even see the irony in proclaiming that “Professor Len Doyal saw first hand in Cork that he and others like Dr Deirdre Madden will not foist their euthanasia and eugenics agenda in Ireland” when through the appallingly rude and unChristian attitude of these protestors the rest of us are having the agenda of the fundamentalist right thrust upon us!!

    Heaven help us all.

  • Michael McGahon // April 26, 2009 at 7:17 pm | Reply

    The Taliban Catholics, far removed from Christianity, crawled out from under their collective rock and gave the world a taste of Youth Defence Nazi-ism. God help us all if this is the future of Catholicism.
    Euthanasia has been carried out in Ireland for years, it’s been called “turning off the life support machine”, “upping the dose of Morphine”. What makes you so morally right that you cannot even listen to the words of someone who does not have the same point of view .
    I think your next move should be to start burning books and make non-fundamentalist Catholics wear arm patches.

    You are all a disgrace to Christianity.

  • Martin // April 27, 2009 at 2:12 pm | Reply

    Peaceful protest my backside. Jesus was never afraid of discussion, no matter how awful the topic might have seemed.

    “Through the grace of God and by the grace of God…” go we – no thanks to the likes of fanatics like you.

  • Mike // April 27, 2009 at 3:25 pm | Reply

    The Catholic religion is a religion based on absolute truth.

    We do not “debate” the truth as revealed to us by God.

    God in the guardian of the moral law. That law is therefore His command. Obedience merits Gods favour; disobedience merits His punishment.

    Jesus did not DEBATE, he PREACHED.

    Father Kramer acted more like Jesus when he marched into the Cork University Hspital and demmanded that Prof Doyal leave Ireland.

    Take the example of Jesus in the temple, where he brandished a whip and rid the temple of the moneylenders etc.

    Many of those supporting Doyal were not at the protest. Those who were know that this was, in any case, no debate. One speaker, one sided view, one blatent attempt to undermine our culture and our religion.

  • Margaret // April 27, 2009 at 4:19 pm | Reply

    Mike – sorry – whose culture? Whose religion? You speak for a very small minority of people. Most Catholics would distance themselves from you – so on whose behalf are you really speaking? Please don’t insult me by telling me you speak on behalf of the vulnerable – I haven’t seen a protest like this against, say, poverty, domestic violence or similar social ills. What is your real agenda here?

  • Mike // April 27, 2009 at 5:05 pm | Reply

    The Irish culture, Gods religion. The one true Church as founded by Jesus Christ when he was personally present here on earth.

    My “agenda” is to fight for Christ the King. To protect my children and this country from the sickening liberal stench wafting over the Irish Sea.

    I resist to the face all those who would attack the Church and its morality.

    How do you know how many I speak for?

    Besides even if I was the only voice declaring a truth, the truth would be as valid as if a whole generation pronounced it.

    St Michael in Heaven showed that to my satisfaction during the fall of the angels.

    Margaret, if you are a Catholic then you cannot be in favour of euthanasia as it is contrary to the fifth commandment. If you are not a Catholic then you may not understand the Faith which inspires us.

    In any case as a child of Mary I declare that I distance myself from you, a child of the world.
    My right to speak the truth God given and I propose to continue.

    God willing, souls such as those who support the killing , voluntary or involuntary, of the old and sick will come to see their error before they are judged by Christ himself and damned.

  • Margaret // April 27, 2009 at 5:25 pm | Reply

    Well Mike, I can see that you are completely convinced of the righeousness of what you do and so I’m afraid we will never agree.

    As regards my faith – I was raised as a Catholic and so am only too well aware of what you call the Faith but which is in fact a denomination. I became a Christian some years ago. When I read some of the comments on this website, I know I made the right decision to leave the Catholic church and to find Christ.

    You have jumped to several conclusions – not least of which is that I support euthanasia – which actually I don’t.

    I find the idea of people travelling to places like Switzerland to die to be very disturbing. The Joffe Bill in the UK was also a cause for concern. That said, we do have euthanasia in Ireland as Michael pointed out above, you cannot deny it – we turn off respirators, we increase pain relief drugs – so we can hardly cast the first stone in this country.

    My point originally (see above) was that Professor Doyal was not affored any courtesy in this country which is supposed to be a land of welcome. You didn’t even listen to what he had to say – and it is obvious you have no intention of listening to anyone.

    I am more than happy to be distanced from you Mike – sad, but true.

  • Martin // April 28, 2009 at 10:11 am | Reply

    ‘Jesus did not DEBATE, he PREACHED.’

    Yeah, sure he didn’t mate, he told Nicodemus and the other Pharisees who wanted a chat to sit down, shut up and listen……

    And no-one has it all right – everyone interprets the Bible, whether they realise it or not. You can accept this and talk things over with your opponents like rational human beings, or you can let mankind degenerate back into the dark ages.

    (edited to remove reference to Our Lady)

  • Michael McGahon // April 28, 2009 at 1:41 pm | Reply

    Before you bash a few more Bibles and use it as a legitimate excuse for everything that you do, please remember this. The Bible as used by Roman Catholics and a few other Christian religions has been re-translated on numerous occasions, was not even compiled until approx 400ad, was finally passed by the Roman Catholic male leadership in the 1400s. Numerous books were left out because it didn’t suit their purpose. I was educated by the Marist Fathers, one of whom studied the origins of the Bible in Rome before coming back to Ireland to teach. He told us that the Bible as we know it, is a very edited version of the original scriptures. He told us of the Gospels of Philip, Thomas and Mariamne, otherwise know as Mary Magdalene. He believed that during the early Church, women were gaining too much power and the male dominated “editors” changed the book and the rules. So Christ’s “most loved disciple”, as it still says in the Bible, became a prostitute and women were “put in their place”.
    So please don’t believe everything you read in the Catholic Bible, try Christianity for a change.

  • admin // April 29, 2009 at 8:02 pm | Reply

    Michael,

    You are obviously very exitable and like to assume you can force people to “debate” or “discuss” things on your terms.

    Basic facts remain:

    1.Euthanasia is illegal in Ireland and Britain. The charge would be murder. If you know of cases going on you should really go to the Garda.

    2. Criminal activity is a poor excuse for legislation allowing an action. On this basis why not just abolish the whole of the Offences Against the Person Act on the basis that people often abuse, kill, abort etc?

    3. Your anti Catholic attitude shines through and your pretend “Christianity” is merely heresy.

    4. The Catholic religion is not based on individual interpretation but on the definitions handed down by the Magisterium of the Church. Our Faith is based on Scripture and Tradition.

    5. Your potted history of the Bible is full of error. I could not do justice to the real history of the Bible in a short answer so I will compile a full answer later.

    6. I was going to edit your reference to SAINT Mary Magdalene but I feel that you clearly show your true anti women liberal stance when you fail to realise the greatness of this Saint and her important role in the life of Christ.

    As if women can only be any good, or of any importance , if they are acting like men or undertaking a mans task. Saint Mary Magdalenes position at the foot of the cross shows her true Saintliness and her heroic love of Christ.

  • Michael McGahon // May 1, 2009 at 9:11 am | Reply

    What’s the point !!!!! I think I’d be better off talking to a brick wall.

  • Magdelein // June 29, 2009 at 4:53 am | Reply

    I was very inspired by reading your last post, Mike! There are still real Catholics in Ireland willing to stand up for the Faith! Anyone who thinks you are wrong in what you say because your viewpoint is not widely supported in Ireland right now needs to be reminded of all the martyred Irish Catholics who are praying fervently in your defense, whose children, if they had been permitted to live long enough to have them, would go into battle with you. Yes, those Irish traditional Catholics of not so long ago, who are shouting eloquently in your defense, though their words can’t be heard. They will undoubtedly prove to be more influential from the spiritual realm than here on earth. Time to reclaim Ireland for Christ, and convert the likes of Margaret, Martin, and Michael McGahon- but they may first require the imposition of a purification, or a public penance to sufficiently purge their souls of the iniquity that inhibits them from seeing the Truth.

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